rose
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Post by rose on May 28, 2014 16:41:02 GMT
Been annoyed to find some "historians" trying to claim that Edmund Tudor was actually Edmund Beaufort's son. Has anyone else in this group seen these suggestions? One person who posed it was John Ashdown-Hill; how trustworthy (or untrustworthy) is he rated as a historian?
I've been an avid history of student in this area for 40+ years, and had never come upon this questioning of Edmund Tudor's parentage until just the past month or so. Thanks so much for any help in clarifying this issue!
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jo
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Post by jo on Jun 19, 2014 2:58:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 18:56:10 GMT
I actually met John Ashdown Hill this past week at Bosworth, seemed to be a polite man.
Nonetheless I strongly disagree with his theory on the paternity of the Tudors; it strikes me as a 'desire' to blemish to Tudors rather than any serious historical basis.
The Tudors were recognised as legitimate children of Owen Tudor in the 1453 Parliament; Owen Tudor also recognised the boys as his children and they recognised him.
Richard III also called Henry by the name 'Tydder'.
Furthermore a dual connection to the Beauforts through the mother and father line would only have bolstered Henry's cause yet this was never entertained.
There is no contemporary references to any suggestion Edmund Beaufort was the father of Edmund Tudor.
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 7, 2014 15:43:52 GMT
I read this theory. You have to consider the coat of arms - the Tudor boys had no relationship to the English crown, their link to Henry VI was via their mother, a French Princess. It would seem that if any version of the royal arms were to be granted to them, then it should have been the royal arms of France, rather than England. The rules of Heraldry were quite complex and well recognised, as they had to be in order for the function of identifying nobles and their families to be clear. So, although perhaps not a smoking gun, John Ashdown-Hill does produce an interesting theory.
AFAIK there is some evidence that Edmund Beaufort and Margaret Beaufort were considered the medieval equivalent of an item. It is interesting he didn't marry anyone else for a very long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 1:14:00 GMT
Edmund and Jasper Tudor were issued the coat of arms by their half-brother Henry VI. That they had no blood link from English kings other than him was irrelevant. Henry VI was the king and he bestowed upon the brothers the right to use those coats of arms, as was his right. Thats all there is to it.
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